Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-25119729-20151216165951/@comment-25119729-20151218115719

NargaFeeder wrote: SamRex wrote: Defense: Valdo has more defense than Jho. A tail to block bites and other attacks and Valdo has spikes. 1-0

Firepower: Jho probably takes this one, since Valdos weak to dragon. Although Valdo has better projectile control, Jhos sweeping breath dominates. 1-1

Offense: I'd pick valdo. Deviljho's mouth would probably bleed trying to bite Dinovaldo while Dinovaldo has a sharp beak and teeth, with a flaming bite. Deviljho has fleshy skin vunerable to flaming bites and a powerful tail attack. Dinovaldo has more wide-ranged moves while jho depends on close ranged ones except for a dragon breath. 2-1

Agility: Dinovaldo hops backwards with ease, while deviljho puts all those muscles into one jump. Not to mention, Dinovaldo is way better on his feet and can manuever better. 3-1

Personality: Jho is a freaking savage and more determined than Dinovaldo. He's bloodthirsty and hungry, which is an advantage yet a disadvantage. It will make it more risky for him to be injured. 4-2

Valdo wins in my book. Anyone realize that both of these brute wyvern's variants have blood red eyes? I want a wallpaper with both of these monsters, they're awesome. Interesting method for counting points, that's more reliable than just arguing indefinitely like in the upper parts of this thread, lol.

Also, aside from Dragon element which workings are mysterious, and in general monster fights -not only Jho vs Dino-, i'd not count elemental weakness, an in-game mechanic, as a thing to decide the winner in a "realistic" fight.

Let's say Dino's projectile explodes on the shell of a Gravios. While barely doing any damage, the shell is still supporting a shockwave equal to dynamite exploding on it. It'll become more and more fragile as it endures explosions. Or for another example, Tama's water beam, while being water-elemented, would probably tear through the webbing of a Plesioth. Lagombi throwing ice chunks on Blangonga definitely results in an impact -though for Gamuto this is just a regular snowball fight, lol-

On the other hand, just as Akantor ecology video suggests it, Aka can with stad Gravios's beam without breaking a sweat, as it is just a stream of heat that has no real consistence and Aka's carapace is strong enough to swim in lava. And i don't really think that thunder-elemented monsters would give a damn to receiving a thunder-elemented attack -though the sudden flow of electricity in their body would be able to disturb their own -

So, it's kind of arbitrary... Not counting elemental damage is however quite ignorant in my opinion. If a fire monster goes against a monster that is weak to fire, it is quite obvious that the fire monster has the better chance of getting out alive. Simply saying "that doesn't count" looks like trying to give a favourite monster the upper hand against another monster that wields its elemental weakness. Which would be simply biased.

The thing is though, even ingame elemental attacks do not entirely consist of pure elemental damage, but also a good part of physical damage. We don't have that much indication however on how strong some elemental attacks are on a physical level, unless the game outright shows/states so (like Amatsus waterbeam ripping apart the ground). So yeah, trying to get the physical component of elemental attacks into the fight analysis would be quite difficult.